Dear Ashiq, I think you are looking at things very narrow mindedly (*basic* way). Its not only spending. And its not only lack of basic research that is leading to failure of universities to bring benefit to society on non-theoretical terms. Try to think about things holistically rather than about where you exist in time and space and what bring benefit individually to you. Best way to think about things is start from problem and move backward. Soldiers buried under snow. How did our universities helped mitigate this disaster? If we spend on basic research, when the next time disaster happen, will universities help? If not then what answer do you have? How the pile of published journals help society in tangible way?
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
From: ashiq.anjum@cern.ch
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:02:54 +0000
Subject: [pakgrid] Re: About Siachen Disaster
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
From: ashiq.anjum@cern.ch
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:02:54 +0000
Subject: [pakgrid] Re: About Siachen Disaster
What percentage of resources are you spending on basic research? Pakistan is one of the lowest ranked countries in the world in terms on spending on basic research.
--- In pakgrid@yahoogroups.com, mansoor malik <manmalik@...> wrote:
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> No research should be encouraged in Pakistan for the next ten years which does not generate an IPR (Intellectual Property Right) as well as an END USER in sight. The impact factor should be weighed 100 times less than an accepted Patent or other IPRs' to bring a semblance of balance between APPLIED RESEARCH and BASIC RESEARCH. This is the only way to do something worthwhile for our country as ENGINEERS. It is embarrassing to see the Technical Tools being used to recover our brothers and sons who are buried under the snow in Siachen. Our Disaster Management Organizations need to concentrate less on Five Wheelers and lavish Office Spaces and start building the capacities of Technical Tooling procurement instead.
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> To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
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> HEC may play effective regulatory role to keep research on track to achieve national objectives. Following may be considered in this regard;
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> Seemingly these are foreign entities. Why research on disasters mitigation and response is not done in Pakistan? Where environmental disasters of every kind is a norm than exception? If someone claim they have done something or doing something why they don't come to surface when the need comes?
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> Von: Syeda Umema Hani umema_hani@...
> An: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" pakgrid@yahoogroups.com; Usman Rafique rafiqusman@...
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> Nice email brother ! I hope our high fi universities could make some effort in utilizing their research work in real life insahAllah.
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> www.ssuet.edu.pk/~suhani, suhani@..., ++92-21-111994994(STI department)
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> From: Usman Rafique rafiqusman@...
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And more importantly, who has stopped the decision makers/common people/engineers in investing time and resources for innovation? Only less than one percent resources (people, money) are being spent on basic research. Where do the remaining 99 percent of the resources go and why cannot this be channelled out for innovation? This is a weak argument that we can not innovate due to spending in basic research.
Without basic research, you may successfully copy things but cannot innovate. Look at the percentage of the patents applications that were filed without a well thought out research plan and you will notice that most applications will be turned down. Only those people managed to get some success (in terms of patents) who graduated (phds) from good universities and then spent few years in R&D environments. I am happy to be proved wrong.
Low spending on basic research is impeding the innovation and not the vice versa. Indian/Chinese succeeded because they spent billions to train their human resources, who then progressed in rank and file and conquered the enterprise world with their talent. This talent helped them to win projects and appreciation and now reverse brain drain is happening. We should encourage HEC and Govt to spend as much as they can on talent development and only then mass scale innovation will be possible.
Best regards
Ashiq Anjum
--- In pakgrid@yahoogroups.com, mansoor malik <manmalik@...> wrote:
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> I think we should hit the nail first. Every body appears to be hitting the ground only. We have to first decide the balance between APPLIED RESEARCH and BASIC RESEARCH. Pakistan has been unfortunate to have most of its S&T leaders from the scientific community instead of a mix from Sciences, Engineering and Technology and therefore the sacrosanct word IMPACT FACTOR has always prevailed. Lets bury this once and for all and start encouraging our researchers to file PATENTS, COPY RIGHTS, DESIGN RIGHTS etc.
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> Engr. Mansoor Malik
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> EMSQUARE
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> To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
> From: anjum.research@...
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:55:41 +0500
> Subject: Re: [pakgrid] About Siachen Disaster
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> Assalam o Alaikum,
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> HEC may play effective regulatory role to keep research on track to achieve national objectives. Following may be considered in this regard;
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> b) Research may be regulated by the board/authority (associated with HEC), having representatives from academia, industry, and government
> c) Unnessary course work may be avoided
> d) Activities of specific technical focus groups may be accelerated and integrated
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> e) Open research incubators and repositories may be established
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> (Thanks Dr. SMJR for good ideas)
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> Regards
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> Are right kind of people inducted in research? The universities administration don't have a clue how to help society in meaningful way? What is the source of failure? Institutional failure is also a norm in Pakistan. Is failure of universities related to (same causes) failure of other institutions in the country? Is it so that all good brains already gone to west and only garbage is left behind?
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> To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
> From: qamar_mahboob@...
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:49:42 +0100
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> Subject: [pakgrid] About Siachen Disaster
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> http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/~adk/http://www.era.bv.tum.de/index.php?id=5
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> One can download interesting presentations from their website, too. If one is interested in some of their wrok, please, leet me know.
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> Any way, it is time to start working on ''Risk-based decision making'' on engineering and natural systems.
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> Best Regards
> Qamar Mahboob(PhD student)TU Dresden,
> Germany
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> Von: Syeda Umema Hani umema_hani@...
> An: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" pakgrid@yahoogroups.com; Usman Rafique rafiqusman@...
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> Gesendet: 10:42 Mittwoch, 18.April 2012
> Betreff: Re: [pakgrid] About Siachen Disaster
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> Nice email brother ! I hope our high fi universities could make some effort in utilizing their research work in real life insahAllah.
> With regards,
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> Syeda Umema Hani,
> Assistant Professor, Computer Engineering Department, www.ssuet.edu.pk,
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> PhD (Software Engineering) fellow, GSESIT, www.hamdard.edu.pk,
> www.ssuet.edu.pk/~suhani, suhani@..., ++92-21-111994994(STI department)
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> From: Usman Rafique rafiqusman@...
> To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2012, 23:11
> Subject: [pakgrid] About Siachen Disaster
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> For example there is a chip that uses nanotechnology to have sniffing power (meeting or even exceeding) to those of dogs and can be programmed for specialized ordors. Since dogs cannot sniff humans at such height of snow rubble and pin point exact locations of bodies, such chip could have been used at bore head to go inside snow for sniffing of human bodies. Similary some ground based sonar or radar waves could have been used.
>
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> This time is gone but how in future we can develop capacity (proactively) to take swift action to be able to help society in such citicial events? It is useless to expect national level stuff from private universities as they are busy
> counting cash, so all hope is from public sector universities that they come ahead and demonstrate their impact on society.
>
> Regards,
> Usman Rafique
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