Monday, 26 November 2012

Re: [pakgrid] Monitoring of Suspicious Mobile Phone SIMs

 

AOA,
 
Monitoring/Blocking SIMS, I would say a very stupid initiative from Govt. It will add no significant values to the society. If Govt, wants SIMs to be issued with legitimate CNIC, then Govt should optimize and strengthen the CNIC issuing process. As all might know, there are serious loop holes in NADRA re: CNIC issuing process, someone can easily get fake CNIC even passports, and so do the SIMs.
 
Common citizen will effect more then terrorists since terrorists might have thousands of ways to bring harm to the society. Has someone in our govt even given thoughts about IP telephony, SMS through IP based gateways and etc,  how they will track and monitor it? There are thousands of applications/ways to make annonymous VOIP calls , how you will monitor these?
 
There are privacy issues as well, but our society doesnt have such a luxury, but in comming years, I am very hopeful that our society will be more aware of privacy rights, then where we will fit all this monitoring?
 
On big events such as Moharam, Eid and etc, govt. is blocking mobile services for days, a very stupid initiative as well (causing psychological effects and financial loss to the country). Instead of building solid infratructure to tackle with terrorism, Govt. is using stupid stratgies to open more doors for terrorists .
 
These are just immediate thoughts, no one need to be agreed with these.
 
Allah Hafiz
/Muhammad Waheed Qureshi
CISSP - CISA
 
 

From: Yaser Qazi <somee_1999@yahoo.com>
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Monitoring of Suspicious Mobile Phone SIMs
 
Dears
i ve been following this monitoring of suspicious SIM thing for some time. My sole argument about this is :-
Why do we need this effort? For improvement or merely publishing the research idea.
 This seems to be confused dialogue. Proposing something better will certainly never eliminate the issue coz the WILL OF THOSE WHO MATTER isnt there. Pakistan is one of those countries where privacy laws hardly exist or ve been ever implemented. This SIM monitoring issue has been more or less a pleasure tool over others privacy rather than a serious effort. You guys will be more current than I am on the subject that its not  big deal to detect an individual using an unregistered SIM. This provisions has been used as blatantly as proly no other for privacy intrusion.
Ok , what happens when we get a SIM traced? Those criminals who are intended to be caught will be regardless of the registered or unregistered SIM they had and rest can have a settlement with authorities :)  
Regards
 
Yaser Waseem
--- On Sat, 11/24/12, Nauman Sheikh <nasheikh@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Nauman Sheikh <nasheikh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Monitoring of Suspicious Mobile Phone SIMs
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 24, 2012, 12:34 PM

 
this battle between good and evil will contnue. You will come up with solutions to close one door, the corrupt elements will come up with more creative ways to open more. The fact this battle can never be won doesn't mean one should stop trying. Besides, Dr. Sajjad's solution is not something that is going to put this issue to rest once and for all. Human creativity and especially evil creativity has no bounds.
 
There have been numerous other proposals submitted to relevant authoruty to address the broader problem of corruption like:
1. Tax evasion detection through analytics
2. Electricity theft detection
3. Shared "Fraud/bad elements" database for customers across telecom operators
4. Fraud detection within banking transactions
5. Centralized claims database within insurance
etc.
 
Not one has been piked up or generated any excitement in the public or private sector. Executives are as oblivious to the power of analytics as the government. May be R&D projects like the one highlighted by Dr. Sajjad is exactly what we need. SIMs are issued against CNIC but it seems that same CNIC information is used over and over. New connections have some tighter controls but grandfathering the SIMs issued over the lasy 10 years is a pain.
 
The trick would be to tie Telecom Operators' commercial interest in such initiatives and then they will do it. For example, which pre-pay customers can be very good post-pay customers would require a similar usage analysis needed for detecting abuse or illegal activity. If the telecoms are inetrested in finding more post-pay customers, as a by-product they will find these "suspicious" SIM users as well.
 
I would highly encourage poeple like Dr Sajjad to keep up the good work and adopt innovative approaches to our specific problems that western research institutions may not be directly interested in.
 
Regards
Nauman Sheikh
On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Syed Abbas K Zaidi <szaidi2@gmu.edu> wrote:
Dear Dr.
It seems the newspaper did you a favor by not publishing your letter. Why do you want to attract unnecessary attention of these same anti-social elements towards you or your institution? A more pertinent approach may be to reach out to the people of authority in the government (i.e., law enforcing agencies) with your services. And, if in the process (or attempt) of doing so, you find that they are also part of the problem, then save your hide and keep publishing research papers.
With best of wishes and prayers for your safety!
An old acquaintance
----- Original Message -----From: Sajjad Haider <shaider@gmualumni.org>Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:34 pmSubject: [pakgrid] Monitoring of Suspicious Mobile Phone SIMs> Dear All,>> I wrote the following piece as a "Letter to Editor" but I am not> sure if> this would ever get published. Nevertheless, considering the> interests and> affiliation of the members of this group, this is probably the most> relevant forum for discussion on this theme.>> Best regards,> Sajjad> -----------> Dr. Sajjad Haider> IBA, Karachi>>>
> *Monitoring of Suspicious Mobile Phone SIMs *
>>>> In the past couple of months, the government has resorted to an
> extrememeasure of blocking mobile phone SIMs to thwart potential
> terroristattacks. Despite the fact that the government must be
> praised for taking a> preemptive measure in public's interest, no matter how naive it may
> sound,this cannot be a long term and permanent solution. Instead,
> what we need is> an analytical framework that aids competent authorities in identifying> suspicious use of mobile phone SIMs. It is worth mentioning that
> illegalSIMs are not only used by terrorists for suicide or remote-
> controlledbombings; they are also used by extortionist and
> kidnappers to run their> illegal activities.>>> Artificial intelligence (AI) based techniques can help in identifying> mobile phone SIMs that are being used for illegal activities. We
> alreadyhave precedence in the form of Anti-Money Laundering Act
> that requires> banks to report suspicious activities to a Financial Monitoring> Unit (FMU)> that may initiate further investigation against the beneficiary or
> executorof a suspicious transaction. To comply with the Act, all
> banks have> deployed artificial intelligence and statistical reasoning based> tools that> help in the identification of suspicious patterns. In a similar
> spirit,automated tools that can identify suspicious usage patterns
> of mobile phone> SIMs need to be deployed by mobile network operators and their
> findingsshould be reported to Pakistan Telecommunication Authority
> (PTA), Interior> Ministry or any other competent government body.>>> It is worth mentioning that AI techniques have been used throughout
> theworld by the telecommunication industry to develop churn models
> that help> mobile network operators to predict customer attrition. One can deploy> similar AI techniques to predict if a particular mobile phone SIM> is being> used in a suspicious way. It can also be argued that learning from the> experience of banking sector in tackling suspicious activities> would also> be very useful in developing the proposed analytical framework.> Implementing rules that are similar to the existing banking> procedures can> result in the deactivation of many unwanted mobile phone SIMs.  For> instance, if a person does not use his bank account for 6 months> then the> account becomes dormant. In a similar way, a (prepaid) mobile phone> SIM not> being used for few months should be deactivated and a personal> visit should> be the only mechanism for its activation.>>> There is no doubt that a successful implementation of such analytical> framework would require research and development efforts by both
> academicand industry but it is the only long term viable solution
> to the volatile> law & order situation in which we are living.>
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