All Answers: Re: [pakgrid] PRISM Effect and personal privacy

You may create all the policies in the World. Down every path you need enforcer, if you can't enforce (and by this I don't mean you and your team) then don't waste your time.

The first step would be a buy-in and formulation of team.

Regards

From: Ayaz <ayaza75@hotmail.com>
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] PRISM Effect and personal privacy

we've been working on this cyber policy and that cyber policy for over a decade now. By the time we come to the next draft the policy, the cyber landscape would have changed once again. wWith that much policy output and that little actual cyber output, all we will end up with are some large Ms Word files!

Ayaz

On 18/06/2013 10:32 PM, Ammar Jaffri wrote:

Dear Saad Zafar,

Agreed but answer is in ' Cyber Security Policy ' of Pakistan. As you
know we are already working on a draft policy under PISA and I believe
all possible resource persons ( Cyber Security Pakistani Professionals
irrespective of where they are living ) may contribute in this effort.
Suggestios/comments from all stakeholders are requested please

Regards,

Ammar Jaffri

On 2013-06-17 22:59, Saad Zafar wrote:
> Dear Ayaz,
>
> Strange argument (ref bottom line in your email).
>
> The bottom line is PRIVACY. Most of us living under colonial rule for
> centuries confuse privacy with secrecy. Enlightened and free people
> value privacy. We all know what goes around in the privacy of our
> bedrooms but we would not like to share the details with everyone. It
> is not a secret but it is matter of privacy. We must fight to protect
> our privacy, which many value as a basic human right.
>
> Saad
>
> -------------------------
> FROM: Ayaz <ayaza75@hotmail.com>
> TO: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
> SENT: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:34 AM
> SUBJECT: Re: [pakgrid] PRISM Effect and personal privacy
>
> Of course we love to jump on any and all news and misinterpret and/or
> misrepresent it according to a authoritarian role that we invisage
> governments to hold.
>
> In order to understand the discussion, one needs to understand the
> emphasis that different societies hold for individual freedoms and
> the
> role that privacy, whether from governmental agencies or ones family
> members or friends, is valued by those societies.
>
> Google and facebook have stated that any access that may have been
> provided would be in aggregate form and specific access would require
> speanas or other legal decrees. The press loves to throw around
> sweeping statements - press and its generalities cannot be basis for
> coming to judgements.
>
> Bottomline: unless and except for those who are planning attacks and
> sharing bomb making/exploding info online, others really have little
> to fear from any of this. Afterall there are many intermediaries that
> we all share our info with - the ISP, Google, Microsoft (through its
> operating system/browser and automatic updates), skype etc. In each
> case, our info such as banking etc is somehow shared with one of
> these
> firms directly and passes through their servers or databases.
> However,
> that does not mean that all these intermediaries will access your
> bank
> accounts or otherwise act upon many other personal/professional
> details.
>
> India and UAE were also engaged with blackberry a while back to have
> access to sensitive data accessed within their countries.
>
> This practice is not so novel - it need not be problem.
>
> Ayaz
>
> On 16/06/2013 6:24 PM, Zeeshan Ali Shah wrote:
>
>> We at PDC-HPC , KTH took it as an opportunity. Due to PRISM we see
>> spike in Private in National cloud offerings.
>>
>> We have even rolled out a dedicated fund for Swedish national
>> infrastructure for Cloud , in collaboration with other Nordic
>> countries.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Zeeshan Ali Shah
>> System Administrator - PDC HPC
>> PhD researcher (IT security)
>> Kungliga Tekniska Hogskolan
>> +46 8 790 9115
>> http://www.pdc.kth.se/members/zashah [2]
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Mushtaq Ahmad
>> <Mushtaq_ahmad@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Billions of people around the globe use Internet and social media
>>> websites for free and frank opinion surveys, all sorts of discussions
>>> about many aspects of human life and other matters with the belief
>>> and conviction that these messages sent on the Wi Fi will not be
>>> revealed to anybody else except the recipients. Yes! it will effect
>>> the research project of cloud computing and many other vital research
>>> groups around who share vital information and data related to the
>>> research projects through the Cloud Services Providers over the
>>> Internet. This revelation is very dangerous for IT users across the
>>> world. The silent majority has to ponder about it, with maturity and
>>> serious consideration to find the ways and means to stop it.
>>>
>>> This shocking news by the Washington Post has shattered the
>>> confidence of general public around the world. There was also some
>>> recent discussion that the Internet and all the social media and
>>> otherweb applications were under the control of USA IT agencies and
>>> they can manipulate with them, the way they want and any time they
>>> want without any questions asked. There was also some discussions
>>> that the processing of all sorts of websites and all the matters
>>> related to Internet should be brought under the control of a neutral
>>> agency supervised by the United Nation. This body should be
>>> represented by the IT experts of all the members of the United
>>> Nation. The influence of USA secret agencies should be completely
>>> neutralized.
>>>
>>> The doctrine of checking and elimination of foreign terrorists
>>> outside USA also needs to be impartially studied for revision.
>>> One can ask the vital question: Has the USA secret agencies
>>> succeeded in elimination of local terrorism, reported almost on daily
>>> basis in the news media in USA, which has killed and killed more US
>>> citizens as compared to foreign terrorists since 9/11?
>>>
>>> All the best wishes
>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>> To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
>>> From: ashiq.anjum@cern.ch
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:17:36 +0000
>>> Subject: [pakgrid] PRISM Effect on Cloud Computing
>>>
>>> The Washington Post recently reported on a secret government
>>> program to snoop Internet data, named PRISM. How will this revelation
>>> impact the cloud computing world and could it put a damper on cloud
>>> adoption?
>>>
>>> Last week, the Obama administration found itself embroiled in
>>> another pair of scandals. First, on Wednesday, The Guardian reported
>>> that the NSA has been collecting the call records of millions of
>>> Verizon customers (later reports say that AT&T and Sprint Nextel are
>>> also involved). On Friday, The Washington Post upped the ante and
>>> reported that "the National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping
>>> directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet
>>> companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails,
>>> documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track foreign
>>> targets." The result of these revelations has been a deep
>>> discussion throughout the traditional media, blogosphere, and other
>>> social media about the desired limits of government power to
>>> intercept and analyze private communications. Whatever your opinion
>>> on the politics and civil liberties issues, one thing is for sure —
>>> the revelations about the PRISM program are going to change the way
>>> people look at public clouds.
>>>
>>> For further details, please read the article:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://leverhawk.com/will-prism-have-a-chilling-effect-on-cloud-computing-adoption-20130609297?goback=%2Egde_45151_member_248245337
>>> [1]
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Ashiq Anjum
>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1]
>
> http://leverhawk.com/will-prism-have-a-chilling-effect-on-cloud-computing-adoption-20130609297?goback=.gde_45151_member_248245337
> [2] http://www.pdc.kth.se/members/zashah
> [3]
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakgrid/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnanRjNXRzBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzExMjg5MTQ2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTAwNDc2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMzcxNTU2OTE0
> [4]
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pakgrid;_ylc=X3oDMTJlazI5aGgxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzExMjg5MTQ2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTAwNDc2MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTM3MTU1NjkxNA--
> [5] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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