Tuesday 28 February 2012

[RVInternetBySatellite] Digest Number 2735

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1a.

Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Dale" gatorcq@yahoo.com   gatorcq

Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:38 pm (PST)



I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.

First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying new (to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went and perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able to do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol. Signal level was in the 65 range.

Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which would you choose.
Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens if power is lost?

Thanks
Dale

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Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:41 pm (PST)



Dale,
You cannot select the satellite, Hughes does that. If you don't like the
assignment you are giving you may be able to pay a tripod friendly dealer to
lie to Hughes on your behalf and explain that your assigned satellite line
of sight is blocked and have them move you to another satellite.
It's not easy and it might not be cheap but it can be done.

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:39 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Setup and Power Question

I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.

First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying new
(to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went and
perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able to
do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol. Signal
level was in the 65 range.

Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which would
you choose.
Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens if
power is lost?

Thanks
Dale

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Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Skip Knowles" skip2000dsdp@verizon.net   skip_knowles

Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:07 pm (PST)



I shut my system off at night all the time up in the mountains. DataStorm
parceled off their service to a company in East Texas.

Skip
===========

I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.

First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying new
(to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went and
perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able to
do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol. Signal
level was in the 65 range.

Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which would
you choose.
Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens if
power is lost?

Thanks
Dale

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1d.

Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Dale" gatorcq@yahoo.com   gatorcq

Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:52 pm (PST)



I understand about paying a tri-pod dealer about changing. I still would like the question answered about a good 48 stated Sat.
The dealer will do the setup to the Sat which I will tell him. I don't mind paying the extra 35. for this service.

dale
ps and thanks for replying so fast.

--- In RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Adams" <Bill@...> wrote:
>
> Dale,
> You cannot select the satellite, Hughes does that. If you don't like the
> assignment you are giving you may be able to pay a tripod friendly dealer to
> lie to Hughes on your behalf and explain that your assigned satellite line
> of sight is blocked and have them move you to another satellite.
> It's not easy and it might not be cheap but it can be done.
>
> _____
>
> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:39 PM
> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Setup and Power Question
>
>
>
>
> I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.
>
> First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying new
> (to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
> Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went and
> perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
> Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able to
> do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol. Signal
> level was in the 65 range.
>
> Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which would
> you choose.
> Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens if
> power is lost?
>
> Thanks
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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1e.

Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Gary Smith" trekker01@gmail.com   trekkersmith1

Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:03 pm (PST)



They are all good, Dale. There are coverage maps on the Datastormusers site. Take a look at them and see which are best for the places you expect to travel. Maybe where you expect to spend the most time. Every satellite has it's strengths and weaknesses.
Gary

From: Dale
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:52 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Re: Setup and Power Question

I understand about paying a tri-pod dealer about changing. I still would like the question answered about a good 48 stated Sat.
The dealer will do the setup to the Sat which I will tell him. I don't mind paying the extra 35. for this service.

dale
ps and thanks for replying so fast.

--- In mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com, "Bill Adams" <Bill@...> wrote:
>
> Dale,
> You cannot select the satellite, Hughes does that. If you don't like the
> assignment you are giving you may be able to pay a tripod friendly dealer to
> lie to Hughes on your behalf and explain that your assigned satellite line
> of sight is blocked and have them move you to another satellite.
> It's not easy and it might not be cheap but it can be done.
>
> _____
>
> From: mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:39 PM
> To: mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Setup and Power Question
>
>
>
>
> I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.
>
> First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying new
> (to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
> Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went and
> perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
> Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able to
> do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol. Signal
> level was in the 65 range.
>
> Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which would
> you choose.
> Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens if
> power is lost?
>
> Thanks
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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1f.

Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Don Bradner" donb@arcatapet.com   donbradner

Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:52 pm (PST)



OK, lets talk about satellites, and be sure to note the last sentence below.

Satellites are located above the equator, and currently Hughes uses ones
located at these longitudes (all West):
72, 83, 87, 89, 91, 93, 95, 99, 113, 117, and 127

The intent is that ALL of them have full 48-state coverage, and they manage
that with the exception of 113 and 117 not doing well in the extreme Northwest.

Now look at a map of the US (48 only). The extreme western edge is at 124W
and the extreme eastern edge is at 67W. While the satellite at 127 might have
good signal at 67W, and the satellite at 72W might have good signal at 124W,
it is a basic truth that each of those situations will be fairly low on the horizon,
blocked easily, by trees, mountains, and objects.

It should be clear that most travelers favor the satellites near the center of the
range for that reason. The exception is those who want to go to Mexico where
113 and 117 are the choice, and those who want to go to Alaska, where 127
is the only choice.

Now the important last sentence: At any given time, Hughes only allows new
installs on a subset of less than half of the satellites, and no dealer anywhere
could get you on one that is not one of the ones allowed at that time, which
changes.

On 2/28/2012 at 3:52 AM Dale wrote:

>I understand about paying a tri-pod dealer about changing. I still would
>like the question answered about a good 48 stated Sat.
>The dealer will do the setup to the Sat which I will tell him. I don't
>mind paying the extra 35. for this service.
>
>dale
>ps and thanks for replying so fast.
>
>--- In RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Adams" <Bill@...>
>wrote:
>>
>> Dale,
>> You cannot select the satellite, Hughes does that. If you don't like the
>> assignment you are giving you may be able to pay a tripod friendly
>dealer to
>> lie to Hughes on your behalf and explain that your assigned satellite
>line
>> of sight is blocked and have them move you to another satellite.
>> It's not easy and it might not be cheap but it can be done.
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:39 PM
>> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Setup and Power Question
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.
>>
>> First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying
>new
>> (to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
>> Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went
>and
>> perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
>> Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was
>able to
>> do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol.
>Signal
>> level was in the 65 range.
>>
>> Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which
>would
>> you choose.
>> Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens
>if
>> power is lost?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dale
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

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1g.

Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:53 am (PST)



1.

OK, for 48 State coverage it would be every satellite in the fleet
other than 117 and 113 (not good in the extreme NW or along the North
Eastern Canadian border.

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:52 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Re: Setup and Power Question

I understand about paying a tri-pod dealer about changing. I still would
like the question answered about a good 48 stated Sat.
The dealer will do the setup to the Sat which I will tell him. I don't mind
paying the extra 35. for this service.

dale
ps and thanks for replying so fast.

--- In RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bill Adams" <Bill@...>
wrote:
>
> Dale,
> You cannot select the satellite, Hughes does that. If you don't like the
> assignment you are giving you may be able to pay a tripod friendly dealer
to
> lie to Hughes on your behalf and explain that your assigned satellite line
> of sight is blocked and have them move you to another satellite.
> It's not easy and it might not be cheap but it can be done.
>
> _____
>
> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Dale
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:39 PM
> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Setup and Power Question
>
>
>
>
> I try getting an answer from the DataStorm but no luck.
>
> First, I was very successful in using the following process in verifying
new
> (to me) a tri-pod system with the 7000s modem setup.
> Using the installer menu, selecting SatMex5 as a starting point, I went
and
> perform a setup and got a very good receive signal (70).
> Before going forward into Cro-Pol, I open another window where I was able
to
> do a force-ranging. Once completed, I then proceeded to do a Cro-Pol.
Signal
> level was in the 65 range.
>
> Now for my 2 questions, selecting a Sat for the lower 48 states, which
would
> you choose.
> Also, I am curious, after I have had the system commission, what happens
if
> power is lost?
>
> Thanks
> Dale
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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2a.

Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Seann Fox" seann45@gmail.com   fox19899

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:11 am (PST)



I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:15 am (PST)



I have been using modified sine wave inverter for 10 years without issue but
I am only on the inverter a small percentage of the time compared to all of
the time the unit is online.

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seann Fox
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:11 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Joe Gluvers" jgluvers@yahoo.com   jgluvers

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:20 am (PST)



Seann,

I too am on 100% solar power, but use a pure sine wave and have had zero
problems with any electronics (5 years)

Joe in Baja

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seann Fox
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:11 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Skip Knowles" skip2000dsdp@verizon.net   skip_knowles

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 am (PST)



No, I have been using the Hart Freedom 20 a 2000 watt modified sine wave
inverter for at least six or seven years with Hughes modems. An there has
been no problem. With your track record however, yours could be putting
out a higher voltage at the top of the modified wave. I think min can be
around 125 or 130 V with no load. With a load it comes in around 115V to
120V.

The power bricks really clean up erratic power input. Bear in mind they
can accommodate 50 cycles at 230V (international standards). Most
devices come that way today. Have you been using different power
bricks when you change the modems? If not perhaps it's going bad.

Going to a full sine wave could be expensive. If you think you need to do
that look for a less expensive low output unit and connect it to a 12V
source in the MH.

...just my opinion

Skip
=========
>I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
> past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
> inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
> need to go to full sine wave?
>
> Thanks for any help guys
> Seann

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2e.

Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Sally" ustoo@hughes.net   high.pockets2

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:40 am (PST)



We are on pure sine wave for 6 months, shore power the other six. The first modem lasted about 4or 5 years. Not sure what caused it to croak.

Sally

On 2012-02-28, at 7:10 AM, Seann Fox wrote:

> I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
> past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
> inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
> need to go to full sine wave?
>
> Thanks for any help guys
> Seann
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Seann Fox" seann45@gmail.com   fox19899

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:43 am (PST)



Hi Skip my inverter is 2 stage first is low then when it needs amperage it
goes to high power mode.. 110 volt and 120 volt... I watch the voltage with
a digital multi meter..... the first 2 supplies Idid not change power pucks
and that is what happened I am sure to the second modem.. but something has
to be wrong here...
Seann

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Skip Knowles <skip2000dsdp@verizon.net>wrote:

> **
>
>
> No, I have been using the Hart Freedom 20 a 2000 watt modified sine wave
> inverter for at least six or seven years with Hughes modems. An there has
> been no problem. With your track record however, yours could be putting
> out a higher voltage at the top of the modified wave. I think min can be
> around 125 or 130 V with no load. With a load it comes in around 115V to
> 120V.
>
> The power bricks really clean up erratic power input. Bear in mind they
> can accommodate 50 cycles at 230V (international standards). Most
> devices come that way today. Have you been using different power
> bricks when you change the modems? If not perhaps it's going bad.
>
> Going to a full sine wave could be expensive. If you think you need to do
> that look for a less expensive low output unit and connect it to a 12V
> source in the MH.
>
> ...just my opinion
>
> Skip
> =========
> >I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
> > past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
> > inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
> > need to go to full sine wave?
> >
> > Thanks for any help guys
> > Seann
>
>

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Steve" bradleysg@hughes.net   bradleysg2003

Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:55 am (PST)



Same here, pure sine wave, lots of sensitive camera gear too, wouldn't trust
anything else.

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----
From: Joe Gluvers <jgluvers@yahoo.com>
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 15:21:24 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

Seann,

I too am on 100% solar power, but use a pure sine wave and have had zero
problems with any electronics (5 years)

Joe in Baja

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seann Fox
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:11 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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