Tuesday 23 October 2012

Re: [pakgrid] Students as Customers

 

1. How will higher education fix our problems? I am trying to understand the path that leads from higher education to prosperity. The basic civic sense problem you mentioned can be fixed by much cheaper school education and not HE, in my opinion. As for the 445k graduates, we dont have enough economic activity to create jobs for them.

2. Another related idea that I want this forum to comment on, is the inflation in the job market in terms of qualification. Every year, the employers are raising the bar more and more for the jobs, requiring higher qualifications. at one time a BS grad could find a job as a network engineer (for example) with on-job training, but now they want MS and certifications for the hardware they run. Do we really need government and people spending money on skill development we dont need. I friend in a telecom vendor told me they have started hiring engineers instead of technicians for technician jobs, because they are willing to work on that. We regularly see Masters degree holders applying for government jobs in the lowest grades. I know a guy in a bank, with an MBA from a not-so-good brand, whose job is practically stamping account numbers on the chequebooks all day. The MBA training is not being used, but he had to aquire it because of the inflation in the job market. All these expensive qualifications ,acquired through a combination of public and private money ,are going to waste, and we need to do something about it.

So my second question is can we fix this inflation in job market, and how?

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Saqib Ilyas <msaqib@gmail.com> wrote:
 

Welcome to the club!
As you've noticed, the problem is deeply rooted. Do we realize the significance of anything that we don't earn for? My father paid the fees. Most people's father also picks where they go for education, so it's all going through the motions. Like how I go to bed at night and wash my face in the morning.
But leave that alone, too, becaue to us Pakistanis, everything is a joke, even if we earned it. A short trip out of the house and on to the street or the road will testify in favor of this. People are walking in the middle of the road, driving on the wrong side of Lahore Ring Road and other highways. Children who can barely walk are riding motorbikes. It's a much bigger problem.
You could raise awareness of those who came into your degree program (445000 graduates every year throughout Pakistan, apropos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Pakistan), but they constitute what percentage of the population (187 million apropos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Pakistan)? 0.23%. Working with that, we need a lot of luck changing the country!


 
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Sulaiman <driving_seat@hotmail.com> wrote:
 

After conducting some teaching sessions related to engineering at a renowned education institute in Pakistan, a thought came to me regarding our education and I would like to share with all Pakistanis giving a factual but not realized concept.

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Any customer pays cash to get the required services or to fulfill a need! We are certain about what we want when we pay against it, except for EDUCATION. For example, as customer of bread, you see a need of your hunger being satisfied. When we ask someone why your are paying for education, the most common answer is to become something (kuch bannay k liye). This is an alarming situation! Can you imagine yourself paying for something when you do not know what you want to gain? Such is the pattern of all society!
Our society is lacking vision of what we want to become and where to find our required educational services! Due to which following issues hair raising issues are highlighted:

1. As an engineering teacher, when I asked a student why are you learning to make a drawing. The answer was "To get a good grade!" Then I again asked, AS AN ENGIINEER why are you learning to make a drawing? Only then there were some relevant answers. The problem is we take an admission in a "WELL KNOWN INSTITUTE" to fulfill our ego and to tell other relatives and friends that we are paying for BRAND. Secondly, our vision is then limited to good grade, when we don't find good teaching services, what do we do? Do we demand that our educational needs are not being satisfied, i.e. we are not a happy customer? Do we leave the institute to get these services in a "LOW PROFILE INSTITUTE", where your educational needs will be BETTER satisfied? NOT AT ALL! WE GO FOR TUITION! No joking, this I experienced at University Level!

2. Then I also asked what is the function of an engineer? A response was to repair a fault in a plant. I was not surprised to hear because our engineers are not designing product in Pakistan. This clearly shows that we do not know why we are spending huge amounts in EDUCATION. Moreover, the module of engineering design is not present in most of our engineering syllabi.

3. Not only this, we pay as customers for our education and rather we evaluate them we are being evaluated! Students are the most enslaved pupils here because they cannot say anything against a teacher or institute even if he/she is not being provided good teaching service for what he is paying. Because I do anything, my grade will be damaged! Is that what we pay for?

4. Let me explain our grading system through an example. If you are running a factory and you bought a machine to give you required pieces of production per day. After purchasing you found that your new machine is not providing you your targeted number of pieces as falsely claimed, you lose your interest in it and search for a better alternative machine that satisfies your production quantity. Similarly, when the student is not getting for what he wants, his motivation and performance will be low and as a result he gets a BAD GRADE!

As engineers we must get out of thinking to get a job in a multinational and repairing their faults but start real engineering products that fulfill the need of the society. Especially, I request all mechanical engineers because they are the backbone of product design, although few are being produced. There are numerous simple problems to convert into opportunities solve: there are no juicers or blenders being designed, no generators being designed, no Computers and its accessories being designed. The list goes on and on and on... The thing I want to address here is that the market is huge. It's only the people who have to produce.

One thing that may also common to hear, who will compete with CHINA (CHEEN se compete kon karay ga!) You must realize that in order to ship a product to a market it requires transportation which adds to the cost price. If someone is not producing it locally then of course people of that locality will purchase the product at a higher price from abroad! Realizing of lack of interest in this regard, the move their factories towards mass production because the higher the volume of production, the lower the cost per unit labour. That's why the entire world is moving towards automation.

Students (Especially engineering students) must realize that they are CUSTOMERS! Your payment to today is an investment for tomorrow! One invests to get more return and we must think from this angle, i.e. we are paying to achieve our future goals and in return earn more. We must know what they want to achieve (in case of engineering, we must know what we want to design) and to search and get the required service available to fulfill our aims. Setting your aim is the most important criteria before you get your education because this will be important to fulfill your dream. If you are not satisfied with the performance of an institute tell them politely. Even if not improved, you have all the right to get it from some other place and leave that place.

The teachers must also realize that they are the representatives of that organization and they are working to provide the quality of service that the customer (here students) are expecting and help them to fulfill their dreams.
We need to work out on our visions on urgent basis! Inshallah my thought sharing will improve our goal settings and basic but paramount educational services!

Regards
Sulaiman Dawood Barry




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Muhammad Saqib Ilyas
PhD Student, Computer Science and Engineering
Lahore University of Management Sciences


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