Wednesday, 29 February 2012

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Roger" beadknot@yahoo.com   beadknot

Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:48 am (PST)



Seann,

We have been off the grid since '94 using modified sine wave inverters. First a 1300 Power Star and now 4000 Hart. Rarely use any shore power even when available. Only found one thing that has not worked properly and it was a heat gun, one of the fancy ones that have temp control built in. I guess you know that we have electronic "gadgets". Never had a modem or power supply go bad, not saying they can't go bad. I think you have some other issue causing the multitude of problems you have had.

Roger
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Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:10 AM
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "RJ Strid" rjstrid@yahoo.com   rjstrid

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:24 am (PST)



I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop computer, 7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex inverter for the last four years. The three years before that I used a Hart 3000 with no problems. I use the inverter even when connected to the grid. I have replaced the power supply once, but have had no other problems. My feeling is it would be better to keep the electronics separated from the grid all the time when in remote areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as far as maximum battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up without a twisted pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also experienced high campground voltage in many places because the owners jacked the voltage up at the transformer to hide the fact they have inadequate wiring in the ground to handle the demand. That is why I never hook my stuff directly to the grid.  
RJS

Traveling, Trading and Loving it.

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Skip Knowles" skip2000dsdp@verizon.net   skip_knowles

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:11 pm (PST)



RJS, for the larger inverters when you connect to the grid the Dc to 120V
inversion is taken out of the equation. There is a transfer relay in the
units that, when shore power is present, it is passed through the unit. When
you loose shore power the Dc is inverted to keep 120V (modified) present in
the MH.

Skip
==============

I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop computer,
7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex inverter for the last
four years. The three years before that I used a Hart 3000 with no problems.
I use the inverter even when connected to the grid. I have replaced the
power supply once, but have had no other problems. My feeling is it would be
better to keep the electronics separated from the grid all the time when in
remote areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as far as maximum
battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up without a twisted
pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also experienced high campground
voltage in many places because the owners jacked the voltage up at the
transformer to hide the fact they have inadequate wiring in the ground to
handle the demand. That is why I never hook my stuff directly to the grid.
RJS

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Dwight Lindsey" lindseydwight@hotmail.com   n2oxh

Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:06 am (PST)



Seann:

What inverter do you have?

I have a Magnum ME MSW 2000 Watt inverter and have been running all of my electronics including the Hughes and Datastorm gear, on it.

I've had no trouble with any of my gear.

Dwight

>>>
From: Seann Fox<seann45@gmail.com>
To:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Date: 2/28/2012 7:10 AM
Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
need to go to full sine wave?

Thanks for any help guys
Seann

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "RJ Strid" rjstrid@yahoo.com   rjstrid

Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:13 am (PST)



I installed the 2nd 1700 watt inverter downstream from the grid to eliminate that possibility. It is connected to the battery bank only. All my electronics are always isolated from the grid and/or campground electricity. The charger in the primary Hart Interface inverter replaces the 12 volt amperage used when I'm on the grid. Any electical glitchs and malfunctions in the grid have to make it thru 6 AGM batteries before getting to the secondary inverter. Add a 110 volt incoming filter with an automatic disconnect under 98 amps or over 130 amps and you can handle most of the stuff that happens. I developed this system over the last 15 years and it has always worked well in adverse conditions.
RJS

Traveling, Trading and Loving it.

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From: Skip Knowles <skip2000dsdp@verizon.net>
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power

 
RJS, for the larger inverters when you connect to the grid the Dc to 120V
inversion is taken out of the equation. There is a transfer relay in the
units that, when shore power is present, it is passed through the unit. When
you loose shore power the Dc is inverted to keep 120V (modified) present in
the MH.

Skip
==============

I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop computer,
7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex inverter for the last
four years. The three years before that I used a Hart 3000 with no problems.
I use the inverter even when connected to the grid. I have replaced the
power supply once, but have had no other problems. My feeling is it would be
better to keep the electronics separated from the grid all the time when in
remote areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as far as maximum
battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up without a twisted
pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also experienced high campground
voltage in many places because the owners jacked the voltage up at the
transformer to hide the fact they have inadequate wiring in the ground to
handle the demand. That is why I never hook my stuff directly to the grid.
RJS

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Skip Knowles" skip2000dsdp@verizon.net   skip_knowles

Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:51 am (PST)



No doubt it works ...seems costly but an interesting ...!!!

Skip
============
I installed the 2nd 1700 watt inverter downstream from the grid to eliminate
that possibility. It is connected to the battery bank only. All my
electronics are always isolated from the grid and/or campground electricity.
The charger in the primary Hart Interface inverter replaces the 12 volt
amperage used when I'm on the grid. Any electical glitchs and malfunctions
in the grid have to make it thru 6 AGM batteries before getting to the
secondary inverter. Add a 110 volt incoming filter with an automatic
disconnect under 98 amps or over 130 amps and you can handle most of the
stuff that happens. I developed this system over the last 15 years and it
has always worked well in adverse conditions.
RJS

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1g.

Re: Hughes modems and solar power

Posted by: "Seann Fox" seann45@gmail.com   fox19899

Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:28 am (PST)



I have the Magnum energy as well..... ME 2000

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Dwight Lindsey
<lindseydwight@hotmail.com>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Seann:
>
> What inverter do you have?
>
> I have a Magnum ME MSW 2000 Watt inverter and have been running all of my
> electronics including the Hughes and Datastorm gear, on it.
>
> I've had no trouble with any of my gear.
>
> Dwight
>
> >>>
> From: Seann Fox<seann45@gmail.com>
> To:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> Date: 2/28/2012 7:10 AM
> Subject: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power
>
> I am on solar power.. with a 2000 watt/4000 watt surge inverter.. In the
> past 3 winters I have "burned out 3 Hughes modems/power supplies.. my
> inverter is modified sine wave... anyone else having this problem? Do I
> need to go to full sine wave?
>
> Thanks for any help guys
> Seann
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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2a.

Re: Hughes modems and solar power/New question

Posted by: "Seann Fox" seann45@gmail.com   fox19899

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:35 am (PST)



Thanks guys...
Just got word back from my "VAR" it was not the modem it was the radio
head.. (from when it took a nose dive last year) he has had it on the shelf
waiting for him to have time to look at it... and he just did....

NEW QUESTION.. (hope this ones OK on here)

Has anyone added the high def TV head to the same arm? I know it will
limit my sat options but sounds better than trying to aim 2 dishes.

Thanks
Seann

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, RJ Strid <rjstrid@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop computer,
> 7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex inverter for the
> last four years. The three years before that I used a Hart 3000 with no
> problems. I use the inverter even when connected to the grid. I have
> replaced the power supply once, but have had no other problems. My feeling
> is it would be better to keep the electronics separated from the grid all
> the time when in remote areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as
> far as maximum battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up
> without a twisted pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also
> experienced high campground voltage in many places because the owners
> jacked the voltage up at the transformer to hide the fact they have
> inadequate wiring in the ground to handle the demand. That is why I never
> hook my stuff directly to the grid.
> RJS
>
> Traveling, Trading and Loving it.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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2b.

Re: Hughes modems and solar power/New question

Posted by: "Roger" beadknot@yahoo.com   beadknot

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:25 pm (PST)



That is a good question. I have resisted HD TV with Dish Net because the
spread is too great from 110 to 228 (I think), at least when I am on 99 for
the internet. It might work if the internet sat was in the middle of that
so that the TV LNBs would be on either side?

Roger
<><
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seann Fox" <seann45@gmail.com>
To: <RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power/New
question

> Thanks guys...
> Just got word back from my "VAR" it was not the modem it was the radio
> head.. (from when it took a nose dive last year) he has had it on the
> shelf
> waiting for him to have time to look at it... and he just did....
>
> NEW QUESTION.. (hope this ones OK on here)
>
> Has anyone added the high def TV head to the same arm? I know it will
> limit my sat options but sounds better than trying to aim 2 dishes.
>
> Thanks
> Seann
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, RJ Strid <rjstrid@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop computer,
>> 7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex inverter for the
>> last four years. The three years before that I used a Hart 3000 with no
>> problems. I use the inverter even when connected to the grid. I have
>> replaced the power supply once, but have had no other problems. My
>> feeling
>> is it would be better to keep the electronics separated from the grid all
>> the time when in remote areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as
>> far as maximum battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up
>> without a twisted pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also
>> experienced high campground voltage in many places because the owners
>> jacked the voltage up at the transformer to hide the fact they have
>> inadequate wiring in the ground to handle the demand. That is why I never
>> hook my stuff directly to the grid.
>> RJS
>>
>> Traveling, Trading and Loving it.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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2c.

Re: Hughes modems and solar power/New question

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:36 pm (PST)



The HD BOW works great for DirecTV but I am not sure a Dish version is
available.

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From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:25 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power/New
question

That is a good question. I have resisted HD TV with Dish Net because the
spread is too great from 110 to 228 (I think), at least when I am on 99 for
the internet. It might work if the internet sat was in the middle of that
so that the TV LNBs would be on either side?

Roger
<><
----- Original Message -----
From: "Seann Fox" <seann45@gmail.com>
To: <RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power/New
question

> Thanks guys...
> Just got word back from my "VAR" it was not the modem it was the radio
> head.. (from when it took a nose dive last year) he has had it on the
> shelf waiting for him to have time to look at it... and he just
> did....
>
> NEW QUESTION.. (hope this ones OK on here)
>
> Has anyone added the high def TV head to the same arm? I know it will
> limit my sat options but sounds better than trying to aim 2 dishes.
>
> Thanks
> Seann
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:24 PM, RJ Strid <rjstrid@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I have been running all my electronics (H.P. Printer, desktop
>> computer, 7000s modem) thru a (none-sine wave) 1700 watt Xantrex
>> inverter for the last four years. The three years before that I used
>> a Hart 3000 with no problems. I use the inverter even when connected
>> to the grid. I have replaced the power supply once, but have had no
>> other problems. My feeling is it would be better to keep the
>> electronics separated from the grid all the time when in remote
>> areas. Is the solar system properly controlled as far as maximum
>> battery voltage. I have experienced noise when I hooked up without a
>> twisted pair of wires feeding the batteries. I have also experienced
>> high campground voltage in many places because the owners jacked the
>> voltage up at the transformer to hide the fact they have inadequate
>> wiring in the ground to handle the demand. That is why I never hook
>> my stuff directly to the grid.
>> RJS
>>
>> Traveling, Trading and Loving it.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Hughes modems and solar power/New question

Posted by: "Seann Fox" seann45@gmail.com   fox19899

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:23 pm (PST)



Ohhh I am by law limited to Cdn TV which I believe in 110 and 114..
Seann

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Roger <beadknot@yahoo.com> wrote:

> That is a good question. I have resisted HD TV with Dish Net because the
> spread is too great from 110 to 228 (I think), at least when I am on 99 for
> the internet. It might work if the internet sat was in the middle of that
> so that the TV LNBs would be on either side?
>
> Roger
>

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Re: Hughes modems and solar power/New question

Posted by: "Barb Nolley" bjnolley@mobileinternetsatellite.com   bjnolley2

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:40 pm (PST)



You can get HDTV or SD Dish Network if you are on either 117 or 99 and with
the fiberglass Gen V dish.

The lipstick LNB will bring in either 119 (primary dish network or HD
channel for DirecTV) or 101 (primary DirecTV and used for HD Dish). It add
2 degrees to the Internet satellite.

Then, a universal with two LNBs will adjust for the other 2 (101 and 110 -
OR - 110 and 119). The universal can add between 6 and 20 degrees to the
Internet satellite.

Unfortunately, 117 is likely to go out of service later this year. Although
HughesNet is not openly acknowledging this yet, I've read several articles
that say it is true.

Take Care,
Barb
MobileInternetSatellite.com

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[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Seann Fox
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:36 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Hughes modems and solar power/New
question

NEW QUESTION.. (hope this ones OK on here)

Has anyone added the high def TV head to the same arm? I know it will
limit my sat options but sounds better than trying to aim 2 dishes.

Thanks
Seann

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3a.

Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Dale" gatorcq@yahoo.com   gatorcq

Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:44 pm (PST)



Don and Bill, that is the answer was looking for. Great response, and a good lesson. This is something I will remember. Then for the Data_Storm users they are all on different Sat's. Which is good, and except for the northern border and maybe very well south Florida, most Sat, will do a very good job. Again thanks for all the help.
I expect to commission this setup next week and try it out for a month or 2.

dale

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Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Bill Joyce" bjoyce5@gmail.com   bjoyce7071

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:12 pm (PST)



I am trying to figure out why you think south Florida would be a problem.
We used 127 in in the Florida Keys since the dish points higher in the sky
the further south you go, and 127 is the furthest satellite West. The
problem for 127 and other Western satellites would be further north, our
dish on 127 was already pointing low enough in Delaware we had to worry
about short trees and when we were on 117 it was very low in Maine.
(Fairbanks was also a problem with 127 since it was so far north that the
dish looked like it was pointing at the ground, but was actually around 15
degrees). You should play with Don's Look Angle Calculator since it shows
you how the dish will look, http://www.datastormusers.com/lookangle.cfm .
Plug in GPS values from different locations.

Bill

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Re: Setup and Power Question

Posted by: "Don Bradner" donb@arcatapet.com   donbradner

Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:49 pm (PST)



Bill, I think a lot of people think that Florida is very far east.

When I referred to the eastern boundary being at 67W I was referring to Maine. As you likely know, South Florida is at 80W. At that latitude, 67W would be 815 miles further east. It wouldn't be as bad as Maine, but that much further east would make it more problematic (as well as making the skew drastic).

On 2/28/2012 at 9:12 PM Bill Joyce wrote:

>I am trying to figure out why you think south Florida would be a problem.
>We used 127 in in the Florida Keys since the dish points higher in the sky
>the further south you go, and 127 is the furthest satellite West. The
>problem for 127 and other Western satellites would be further north, our
>dish on 127 was already pointing low enough in Delaware we had to worry
>about short trees and when we were on 117 it was very low in Maine.
>(Fairbanks was also a problem with 127 since it was so far north that the
>dish looked like it was pointing at the ground, but was actually around 15
>degrees). You should play with Don's Look Angle Calculator since it shows
>you how the dish will look, http://www.datastormusers.com/lookangle.cfm .
>Plug in GPS values from different locations.

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

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