All Answers: Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists

Thursday 23 May 2013

Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists

Dear Colleagues,

In my humble opinion, even with 40 different students working under you, its still impossible as is it impossible with 10 students.

In case of 10 Grad students, the number of papers per student turns out to be 8. This within itself is 45 days per paper which is far beyond the capabilities of any student.

In case of 40 students, the topic of all of those students has to be different and then it becomes impossible for even a super Doctor to have significant enough contribution in each topic to become justifiable author of the paper. Its beyond human capability to even think on 40 different topics, let alone contribute to each of them through active research.

On a side note, we need to compare our distinguished scientists with the distinguished scientists around the world. Has any big name throughout the world achieved the feat of publishing so many papers in one year in any basic sciences subject? If not, we better highlight this contribution internationally. The best example I know is of Paul Erdos who published 1525 papers with 511 different collaborators. He achieved PhD at the age of 21, had 15 honorary PhDs and lived for 83 years. I think that record seems breakable and it will be an honor for our country with limited resources.

regards,

Anjum

On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Imran Kanjoo <imran_kanjoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well! Ashiq Anjum, it is a possible. just change the "gentleman" to a "Dr." and you will understand everything. If a doctor is supervising 5 M.Phil students and 5 PhD students. They all are working parallel. The paper of the student includes the name of his supervisor whenever he is working under his supervision. Then . I know a person at QAU Islamabad who has 100 papers in a year. and its ethical.

With Regards
Imran Mehmood Kanjoo

From: Mahmood Nagrial <M.NAGRIAL@UWS.EDU.AU>
To: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" <pakgrid@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists

The best method to count the number of papers as weighted average (divided by number of authors eg. 4 authors in a paper should count as 0.25).
82 papers/year is not possible unless the whole section/division researchers are putting their boss name on all papers either with his knowledge or without asking him.
If that is the case, it is rather unethical.

Mahmood

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From: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com [pakgrid@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Zamir Awan [awanzamir@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:22 PM
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists

Valid Point !

--- On Tue, 5/21/13, Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch> wrote:

From: Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch>

Subject: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 9:54 PM

One gentleman produced 82 papers in 2011. This averages up to two papers in one week or roughly one paper in 3 days.

This includes the time to research a topic, do experimentation, get results, write up the findings, proof reading, quality assurance, discuss the results with colleagues, formatting...

How is this possible to do all these things in 3 days and then repeat the whole process 82 times in one year?

I believe quality has been ignored altogether while producing the list.

Best regards
Ashiq Anjum

--- In pakgrid@yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=pakgrid%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Arshad Ali" <arshad.ali@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Kindly find the web-link for List of Eligible Applicant for Research
> Productivity Allowance (RPA) for 2012.
>
> *
> http://www.pcst.org.pk/docs/LIST%20OF%20ELIGIBLE%20APPLICANTS%20FOR%20RPA%202012%20final.pdf
> *
> *
> *
> This can be accessed from PCST website: www.pcst.gov.pk
>
> It is interesting to see that none of the engineer falls in the research
> productivity list. Does that mean engineers are not contributing to the
> society or there is something wrong in the way we look at our research
> output.
>
> Best regards
>
> --
> Dr Arshad Ali, Prof & Principal
> NUST School of EE&CS
> Islamabad, Pakistan
>

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