I will go for the main reason behind this. i.e "mathematics". Visit any engineering field in any university across Pakistan, you will find that mathematics is thought without any know how that how it can be applied and the mathematics department is one scary place where everyone sticks to the books and the engineers, well they just try to pass the exams and move on. (in my opinion the death of innovation at the very start of ones journey towards research).
And I don't understand why everybody don't allow the students to do what they want. Everyone tires them to do whats in their mind and discourages the students ideas.
And please stop fighting (especially computer science field) to push student towards image processing. If you think that its the only research oriented field, please look outside your boundaries and open your eyes towards other computer science fields, and stop rivalry towards the students who want to try web/mobile development.
Regards,
Ali Abbas
From: Imran Kanjoo <imran_kanjoo@yahoo.com>
To: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" <pakgrid@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
Well! Ashiq Anjum, it is a possible. just change the "gentleman" to a "Dr." and you will understand everything. If a doctor is supervising 5 M.Phil students and 5 PhD students. They all are working parallel. The paper of the student includes the name of his supervisor whenever he is working under his supervision. Then . I know a person at QAU Islamabad who has 100 papers in a year. and its ethical.
From: Mahmood Nagrial <M.NAGRIAL@UWS.EDU.AU>
To: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" <pakgrid@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
The best method to count the number of papers as weighted average (divided by number of authors eg. 4 authors in a paper should count as 0.25).
82 papers/year is not possible unless the whole section/division researchers are putting their boss name on all papers either with his knowledge or without asking him.
If that is the case, it is rather unethical.
Mahmood
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From: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com [pakgrid@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Zamir Awan [awanzamir@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:22 PM
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
Valid Point !
--- On Tue, 5/21/13, Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch> wrote:
From: Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch>
Subject: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 9:54 PM
One gentleman produced 82 papers in 2011. This averages up to two papers in one week or roughly one paper in 3 days.
This includes the time to research a topic, do experimentation, get results, write up the findings, proof reading, quality assurance, discuss the results with colleagues, formatting...
How is this possible to do all these things in 3 days and then repeat the whole process 82 times in one year?
I believe quality has been ignored altogether while producing the list.
Best regards
Ashiq Anjum
--- In pakgrid@yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=pakgrid%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Arshad Ali" <arshad.ali@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Kindly find the web-link for List of Eligible Applicant for Research
> Productivity Allowance (RPA) for 2012.
>
> *
> http://www.pcst.org.pk/docs/LIST%20OF%20ELIGIBLE%20APPLICANTS%20FOR%20RPA%202012%20final.pdf
> *
> *
> *
> This can be accessed from PCST website: www.pcst.gov.pk
>
> It is interesting to see that none of the engineer falls in the research
> productivity list. Does that mean engineers are not contributing to the
> society or there is something wrong in the way we look at our research
> output.
>
> Best regards
>
> --
> Dr Arshad Ali, Prof & Principal
> NUST School of EE&CS
> Islamabad, Pakistan
>
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From: Mahmood Nagrial <M.NAGRIAL@UWS.EDU.AU>
To: "pakgrid@yahoogroups.com" <pakgrid@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
The best method to count the number of papers as weighted average (divided by number of authors eg. 4 authors in a paper should count as 0.25).
82 papers/year is not possible unless the whole section/division researchers are putting their boss name on all papers either with his knowledge or without asking him.
If that is the case, it is rather unethical.
Mahmood
________________________________________
From: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com [pakgrid@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Zamir Awan [awanzamir@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:22 PM
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
Valid Point !
--- On Tue, 5/21/13, Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch> wrote:
From: Dr Ashiq Anjum <ashiq.anjum@cern.ch>
Subject: [pakgrid] Re: Productive Scientists
To: pakgrid@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 9:54 PM
One gentleman produced 82 papers in 2011. This averages up to two papers in one week or roughly one paper in 3 days.
This includes the time to research a topic, do experimentation, get results, write up the findings, proof reading, quality assurance, discuss the results with colleagues, formatting...
How is this possible to do all these things in 3 days and then repeat the whole process 82 times in one year?
I believe quality has been ignored altogether while producing the list.
Best regards
Ashiq Anjum
--- In pakgrid@yahoogroups.com</mc/compose?to=pakgrid%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dr. Arshad Ali" <arshad.ali@...> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Kindly find the web-link for List of Eligible Applicant for Research
> Productivity Allowance (RPA) for 2012.
>
> *
> http://www.pcst.org.pk/docs/LIST%20OF%20ELIGIBLE%20APPLICANTS%20FOR%20RPA%202012%20final.pdf
> *
> *
> *
> This can be accessed from PCST website: www.pcst.gov.pk
>
> It is interesting to see that none of the engineer falls in the research
> productivity list. Does that mean engineers are not contributing to the
> society or there is something wrong in the way we look at our research
> output.
>
> Best regards
>
> --
> Dr Arshad Ali, Prof & Principal
> NUST School of EE&CS
> Islamabad, Pakistan
>
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