Saturday, 22 October 2011

[RVInternetBySatellite] Digest Number 2706

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1.1.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic  Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Joe Gluvers" jgluvers@yahoo.com   jgluvers

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:19 am (PDT)



Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs but my
web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down and
196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has graphics in
it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket size..
is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??

Joe Gluvers

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will let
you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full allotment.

On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:

>You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
>375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
>to view many videos or download a big file.
>
>Larry Hamm wrote:
>>
>>
>> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the usual
>> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
>> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
>> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and change.
>> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
>> that rate? Hmmm...
>>
>> Larry Hamm

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

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1.2.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic  Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:25 am (PDT)



I am not seeing anything similar. Sorry.

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Gluvers
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:20 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs but my
web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down and
196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has graphics in
it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket size..
is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??

Joe Gluvers

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will let
you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full allotment.

On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:

>You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
>375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
>to view many videos or download a big file.
>
>Larry Hamm wrote:
>>
>>
>> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the usual
>> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
>> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
>> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and change.
>> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
>> that rate? Hmmm...
>>
>> Larry Hamm

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

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1.3.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic  Service plan allowance

Posted by: "teddy" Teddy@runningbear.com   run4bear

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:31 am (PDT)



Me, too. Quite annoying.... Heck almost all of the website I use have
graphics and they are loading slower and I have to keep refreshing as
they stall...

Joe Gluvers wrote:
>
>
> Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs
> but my
> web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
> fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down and
> 196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has
> graphics in
> it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket size..
> is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??
>
> Joe Gluvers
>
> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic
> Service plan
> allowance
>
> By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will let
> you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full allotment.
>
> On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:
>
> >You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
> >375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
> >to view many videos or download a big file.
> >
> >Larry Hamm wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the
> usual
> >> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
> >> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
> >> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and change.
> >> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
> >> that rate? Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Larry Hamm
>
> Don Bradner
> www.arcatapet.net
>
> [
>

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1.4.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic  Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Bill Adams" Bill@internetanywhere.us   r_v_satellites

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:35 am (PDT)



Like what sites? I opened MSN and CNN to see if there was anything with
these sites and there is nothing new and different. Can you post a couple
of sites and I will see if anything seems slow?

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of teddy
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:29 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

Me, too. Quite annoying.... Heck almost all of the website I use have
graphics and they are loading slower and I have to keep refreshing as
they stall...

Joe Gluvers wrote:
>
>
> Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs
> but my
> web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
> fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down and
> 196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has
> graphics in
> it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket size..
> is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??
>
> Joe Gluvers
>
> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic
> Service plan
> allowance
>
> By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will let
> you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full allotment.
>
> On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:
>
> >You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
> >375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
> >to view many videos or download a big file.
> >
> >Larry Hamm wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the
> usual
> >> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
> >> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
> >> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and change.
> >> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
> >> that rate? Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Larry Hamm
>
> Don Bradner
> www.arcatapet.net
>
> [
>

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1.5.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic  Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Joe Gluvers" jgluvers@yahoo.com   jgluvers

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:59 am (PDT)





Almost all sites are slow, the two below are just samples..

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm
http://www.montanasatellitesupply.com/Default.asp

Joe,

Pro plan,

HN7000s

Sat mex 5

1090

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Adams
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:35 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

Like what sites? I opened MSN and CNN to see if there was anything with
these sites and there is nothing new and different. Can you post a couple
of sites and I will see if anything seems slow?

_____

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of teddy
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:29 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

Me, too. Quite annoying.... Heck almost all of the website I use have
graphics and they are loading slower and I have to keep refreshing as
they stall...

Joe Gluvers wrote:
>
>
> Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs
> but my
> web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
> fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down and
> 196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has
> graphics in
> it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket size..
> is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??
>
> Joe Gluvers
>
> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic
> Service plan
> allowance
>
> By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will let
> you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full allotment.
>
> On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:
>
> >You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
> >375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
> >to view many videos or download a big file.
> >
> >Larry Hamm wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the
> usual
> >> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
> >> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
> >> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and change.
> >> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
> >> that rate? Hmmm...
> >>
> >> Larry Hamm
>
> Don Bradner
> www.arcatapet.net
>
> [
>

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1.6.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Don Bradner" donb@arcatapet.com   donbradner

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:11 am (PDT)



Those both were long here - 17 seconds and 19 seconds.

BUT, they were also longish when I hit them on a 6 meg DSL line - over 8 seconds apiece.

In the case of montanasatellite, watching the status bar indicated it was hanging on waiting for some livechat site. The DMV had some issue with an app URL.

On 10/21/2011 at 9:59 AM Joe Gluvers wrote:

>Almost all sites are slow, the two below are just samples..
>
>
>
>http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm
>http://www.montanasatellitesupply.com/Default.asp
>
>
>
>Joe,
>
>Pro plan,
>
>HN7000s
>
>Sat mex 5
>
>1090
>
>
>
>
>
>From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Adams
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:35 AM
>To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service
>plan
>allowance
>
>
>
>
>
>Like what sites? I opened MSN and CNN to see if there was anything with
>these sites and there is nothing new and different. Can you post a couple
>of sites and I will see if anything seems slow?
>
>_____
>
>From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of teddy
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:29 AM
>To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service
>plan
>allowance
>
>Me, too. Quite annoying.... Heck almost all of the website I use have
>graphics and they are loading slower and I have to keep refreshing as
>they stall...
>
>Joe Gluvers wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs
>> but my
>> web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
>> fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down
>and
>> 196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has
>> graphics in
>> it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket
>size..
>> is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??
>>
>> Joe Gluvers
>>
>> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Don
>Bradner
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
>> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic
>> Service plan
>> allowance
>>
>> By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will
>let
>> you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full
>allotment.
>>
>> On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:
>>
>> >You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
>> >375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
>> >to view many videos or download a big file.
>> >
>> >Larry Hamm wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the
>> usual
>> >> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
>> >> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
>> >> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and
>change.
>> >> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
>> >> that rate? Hmmm...
>> >>
>> >> Larry Hamm
>>
>> Don Bradner
>> www.arcatapet.net
>>
>> [
>>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

1.7.

Re: Good News!  Increased Basic   Service plan allowance

Posted by: "Joe Gluvers" jgluvers@yahoo.com   jgluvers

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:21 am (PDT)



Thanks for the come-backs. Looks like it will be a wait and see thing.

Joe

From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Bradner
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:11 AM
To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service plan
allowance

Those both were long here - 17 seconds and 19 seconds.

BUT, they were also longish when I hit them on a 6 meg DSL line - over 8
seconds apiece.

In the case of montanasatellite, watching the status bar indicated it was
hanging on waiting for some livechat site. The DMV had some issue with an
app URL.

On 10/21/2011 at 9:59 AM Joe Gluvers wrote:

>Almost all sites are slow, the two below are just samples..
>
>
>
>http://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/home/dmv.htm
>http://www.montanasatellitesupply.com/Default.asp
>
>
>
>Joe,
>
>Pro plan,
>
>HN7000s
>
>Sat mex 5
>
>1090
>
>
>
>
>
>From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill Adams
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:35 AM
>To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service
>plan
>allowance
>
>
>
>
>
>Like what sites? I opened MSN and CNN to see if there was anything with
>these sites and there is nothing new and different. Can you post a couple
>of sites and I will see if anything seems slow?
>
>_____
>
>From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>[mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of teddy
>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:29 AM
>To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic Service
>plan
>allowance
>
>Me, too. Quite annoying.... Heck almost all of the website I use have
>graphics and they are loading slower and I have to keep refreshing as
>they stall...
>
>Joe Gluvers wrote:
>>
>>
>> Is there a problem with the new Hughes plan? I do like the extra MBs
>> but my
>> web pages are loading super slow. I did the speed test and it says all is
>> fine, 6.1 to 3.4 Seconds,, And my downloads are best ever at 1243 down
>and
>> 196 up,,, but it still takes forever to load a web page that has
>> graphics in
>> it,, this problem arrived yesterday along with the increased bucket
>size..
>> is this a personal problem or is everyone having it??
>>
>> Joe Gluvers
>>
>> From: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Don
>Bradner
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:50 PM
>> To: RVInternetBySatellite@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
><mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:RVInternetBySatellite%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [RVInternetBySatellite] Good News! Increased Basic
>> Service plan
>> allowance
>>
>> By most accounts, the next improvement will be "Rollover MB" that will
>let
>> you accumulate several days worth if you aren't using your full
>allotment.
>>
>> On 10/19/2011 at 5:39 PM teddy wrote:
>>
>> >You are not alone. I use an F1 Dish with Hughes. My "bucket used to be
>> >375, today I checked it and it was 425!! Actually not much help. Tough
>> >to view many videos or download a big file.
>> >
>> >Larry Hamm wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today my hnFAPMon reports a "full bucket" as 250MB, instead of the
>> usual
>> >> 200MB. I thought it must be a glitch, but MyHughesnet reports that,
>> >> indeed, we now have 250MB to play with, a 25% increase. It also
>> >> indicates the price (for new customers) is $10 less, at $49 and
>change.
>> >> I wonder if I could talk the customer retention person into giving ME
>> >> that rate? Hmmm...
>> >>
>> >> Larry Hamm
>>
>> Don Bradner
>> www.arcatapet.net
>>
>> [
>>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Don Bradner
www.arcatapet.net

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